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Partnering Leadership
Partnering Leadership
Partnering Leadership is an award-winning global podcast for CEOs, board members, and senior executives who want to think more clearly about what is changing, what may be coming next, and what it means for their organizations.

Hosted by Mahan Tavakoli, the podcast draws on 450+ conversations with CEOs, founders, researchers, futurists, and leading thinkers on strategy, leadership, organizational transformation, innovation, and AI.

The conversations go beyond generic leadership advice. They explore the questions senior leaders increasingly need to wrestle with:

What is changing that could reshape our business?

Which assumptions about strategy, customers, work, and organizations may no longer hold?

What will AI change beyond productivity?

Where might value move next?

How should organizations and leadership evolve as the answers change?

Guests have included Ram Charan, John Kotter, Stephen M.R. Covey, Ajay Agrawal, Azeem Azhar, Ranjay Gulati, Sangeet Paul Choudary, David Marquet, Bob Johansen, David Rubenstein, Jean Case, Paul Daugherty, Carolyn Dewar, Whitney Johnson, Ron Adner, and many others shaping how leaders think about strategy, organizations, technology, and the future of business.

Mahan brings an advisor’s perspective to each conversation, pushing beyond surface-level answers to explore the choices, trade-offs, and implications that matter in the C-suite and boardroom.

The result is a broader, more forward-looking perspective on the decisions leaders are making today and the ones they may need to make sooner than they think.

Available on all major podcast platforms and at PartneringLeadership.com.
June 9, 2026

456 Different is Better Than Better: The Mrs. Meyer’s Playbook on Category Reinvention with Monica Nassif

456 Different is Better Than Better: The Mrs. Meyer’s Playbook on Category Reinvention with Monica Nassif
456 Different is Better Than Better: The Mrs. Meyer’s Playbook on Category Reinvention with Monica Nassif
Partnering Leadership
456 Different is Better Than Better: The Mrs. Meyer’s Playbook on Category Reinvention with Monica Nassif

What does it take to see opportunity where everyone else sees a commodity? In this episode of Partnering Leadership, Mahan Tavakoli speaks with Monica Nassif, founder of Mrs. Meyer’s Clean Day and author of I Bottled My Mother: Grit, Grime, and Growing a Business, The Mrs. Meyer’s Story, about building a category-defining brand by challenging the assumptions everyone else accepted.

Monica shares the leadership lessons behind transforming household cleaning from a purely functional category into an experience built around fragrance, design, authenticity, and emotional connection. Drawing from her upbringing as one of nine children, her early career at Target, and her entrepreneurial experience, Monica explores how curiosity, resilience, and a willingness to question industry norms helped her create a brand that stood apart.

In the conversation, Monica discusses the strategic decisions behind scaling Mrs. Meyer’s, including the choice to disrupt her own successful premium brand before competitors could, the importance of preserving culture while adding operational discipline, and why leaders must recognize when the capabilities that got them started are not enough for the next stage of growth.

Monica also reflects on the human side of leadership: learning to communicate the vision more clearly, hiring people who complement your strengths, creating a culture of ambitious goals, and knowing when it’s time to let go. Her insights offer valuable lessons for leaders in any industry who want to build organizations capable of adapting, growing, and reinventing themselves.


Actionable Takeaways

  • You’ll learn why “different is better than better” and how leaders can move beyond incremental improvements to create meaningful differentiation.
  • Hear how Monica Nassif and her team asked one powerful question that helped them disrupt themselves before competitors had the chance.
  • Discover why deep industry experience can sometimes become a barrier to innovation and how outsider thinking can reveal overlooked opportunities.
  • You’ll learn how Monica scaled Mrs. Meyer’s by balancing entrepreneurial creativity with the operational discipline needed for growth.
  • Hear how leaders can recognize their own strengths and build teams with people who bring the capabilities needed for the next stage.
  • Learn why preserving culture during rapid growth requires more than values on a page and how Monica kept Mrs. Meyer’s connected to its identity.
  • Discover the communication lesson Monica learned as a founder: why leaders need to make sure others can “see their taillights” rather than assuming the vision is obvious.
  • Hear how Monica approached investors, partnerships, and eventually the decision to sell by asking what others could bring that the company couldn’t create on its own.
  • Learn why ambitious goals, ownership, and a sense of fun became essential parts of the culture behind Mrs. Meyer’s growth.



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