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Partnering Leadership
Partnering Leadership
Partnering Leadership is an award-winning global podcast for CEOs, board members, and senior executives who want to think more clearly about what is changing, what may be coming next, and what it means for their organizations. Hosted by Mahan Tavakoli, the podcast draws on 450+ conversations with CEOs, founders, researchers, futurists, and leading thinkers on strategy, leadership, organizational transformation, innovation, and AI. The conversations go beyond generic leadership advice. They explore the questions senior leaders increasingly need to wrestle with: What is changing that could reshape our business? Which assumptions about strategy, customers, work, and organizations may no longer hold? What will AI change beyond productivity? Where might value move next? How should organizations and leadership evolve as the answers change? Guests have included Ram Charan, John Kotter, Stephen M.R. Covey, Ajay Agrawal, Azeem Azhar, Ranjay Gulati, Sangeet Paul Choudary, David Marquet, Bob Johansen, David Rubenstein, Jean Case, Paul Daugherty, Carolyn Dewar, Whitney Johnson, Ron Adner, and many others shaping how leaders think about strategy, organizations, technology, and the future of business. Mahan brings an advisor’s perspective to each conversation, pushing beyond surface-level answers to explore the choices, trade-offs, and implications that matter in the C-suite and boardroom. The result is a broader, more forward-looking perspective on the decisions leaders are making today and the ones they may need to make sooner than they think. Available on all major podcast platforms and at PartneringLeadership.com.
April 7, 2026

445 The Hidden Cost of Change: What Leaders Miss About Loss and Resistance with Amy Jacobson

445 The Hidden Cost of Change: What Leaders Miss About Loss and Resistance with Amy Jacobson

Most leaders don’t struggle with strategy. They struggle with how people respond to it. In this episode of Partnering Leadership, Mahan Tavakoli sits down with Amy Jacobson, author of The Emotional Intelligence Advantage: Mastering Change and Difficult Conversations. Amy brings a practical, grounded perspective on emotional intelligence, shaped by her work with leadership teams navigating real organizational challenges, not theoretical models. The conversation goes beyond the usual discussion...

Most leaders don’t struggle with strategy. They struggle with how people respond to it.

In this episode of Partnering Leadership, Mahan Tavakoli sits down with Amy Jacobson, author of The Emotional Intelligence Advantage: Mastering Change and Difficult Conversations. Amy brings a practical, grounded perspective on emotional intelligence, shaped by her work with leadership teams navigating real organizational challenges, not theoretical models.

The conversation goes beyond the usual discussion of EQ as a “nice to have.” Amy reframes emotional intelligence as a learned skill that directly impacts a leader’s ability to drive change, handle resistance, and lead difficult conversations. She challenges a common assumption many leaders hold, that if a change is logical and beneficial, people should naturally get on board. In practice, that’s rarely what happens.

A central theme in the discussion is the hidden dimension of change. While leaders focus on what is being gained, employees focus on what they are losing. That gap creates resistance, even when the change itself is sound. Amy breaks down why this happens and how leaders unintentionally make it worse by overselling the positives and ignoring the emotional impact on their teams.

The conversation also explores why difficult conversations often fail before they even begin. Leaders walk in prepared to prove a point rather than understand a situation. That approach triggers defensiveness and shuts down productive dialogue. Amy offers a more effective way to approach these moments, one that balances clarity with emotional awareness to drive better outcomes.

This is a practical conversation for leaders who want to move beyond frameworks and understand what actually drives behavior inside their organizations.


Actionable Takeaways

  • You’ll learn why even the best-designed change initiatives fail when leaders overlook what people feel they are losing
  • Hear how emotional intelligence shifts from a “soft skill” to a core leadership capability in driving execution
  • You’ll learn why some of your most experienced and capable team members resist change the most
  • Hear how leaders unintentionally create resistance by pushing logic before addressing emotion
  • You’ll learn why self-awareness is often overestimated and how that gap impacts leadership effectiveness
  • Hear how to approach difficult conversations in a way that reduces defensiveness and increases ownership
  • You’ll learn why preparation for tough conversations often makes them worse, not better
  • Hear how leaders can distinguish between employees who can grow and those who are not ready to change
  • You’ll learn why balancing EQ and IQ is not optional, but essential for leadership impact


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